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Just purchased one of these from the recent Murphy Auction, which I know its probably not a genuine one, but I love these type of machines so not too worried about the authenticity!!!

However, if anyone owns one of these or similar, just like to check some things...
The payouts all work as they should, however, I've noticed that if I bet on all 5 colours, it may for example land on a red that pays 2 coins.. But it won't payout anything! Any ideas if this is how its supposed to operate?

The other thing is the handle. Once a coin is deposited, I push down on the handle and the disc spins, and plays as normal. However, my handle does not rise up! If I push down on the handle a little bit, that's it, it makes a click sound and rises back to the top. Not sure if this is what is supposed to happen?

Thanks

The problem may be one of 3 things either the machine is not resetting the payout slides or it is not tripping the slide when a win has happened. Check the slides from the back and see if they move when you pull the handle and if they move your next check is the sensing finger that actually trips the slide, this may be out of adjustment which will prevent it from paying out. Third is it may be a coin jam, look under the mech and see if any coins are stuck in the slides. The handle may be a ratchet problem where it is not allowing the handle to reset or a spring may be missing on the inside area where the handle is located. Looks like an EP machine!

Thanks for your advice. Have just checked all those things you suggested and all appears to be well with the slides. As for the handle, does it have a spring attached inside the case??? mine does not!

Also what is the EP stand for??

anyone any other advice??

thanks

EP = English Penny.

of course it does... I realised this after I posted.. And yes it was made for old english penny, and works perfect apart from the 2 issues stated above!

Another possibility, Do the slides move freely if you move them by hand? if not the slide cover may be too tight.

Slides work fine. As I mentioned in 1st post the payouts work correctly, individually, but if I put a coin in all 5 slots, no payout occurs???

Hopefully mark gets all of his problems ironed-out with this machine. They were well built units, and generally took a lot of abuse.
Many of these machines that were built for the English market, were on location near the water, and even outdoors in some areas,
of which the later did not survive the elements as well. I bought quite a few of these machines from an antique dealer, back in the
late 70's to early 80's, when they were being shipped back to the U.S. at the time, along with several models of 3 reel slots, diggers,
etc. He was mainly a furniture dealer, that would bring in one or two 20' container loads, every couple of months. The first slots that
I seen in his shop, were Jennings "Tit-Tat-Toe", and Sega Bells. After he realized that I would buy most every coin-op that he brought
in, he started acquiring a larger variety of machines. I was mostly buying the ones in better condition, cleaning them up, and changing
the payout slides, and other parts, necessary to operate on U.S. coinage. These so-called Ben Hur style models, I usually let the coin
play stay with the 1d penny, which most were, as there was no sense in making something other that it was originally intended. Caille
made these models strictly for the Foreign market. Mostly England, France, and Germany. This taller case style, was Never built for
the U.S. market. It has gotten out-of-hand for many years, watching most people that are selling these models, insisting on calling
them a Ben Hur. They Never were, and Never will be. Most every one on eBay, and the live auctions will call them this, thinking it will
bring a higher price. It would take one-hell-of-a-lot-of-work, to make one of these Foreign models into a U.S. version. First of all, the
case is much shorter, and the wood panels & trim are styled differently. Then there is the task of changing all the coinage parts in the
mechanism. Not to mention downsizing the coin head, of which not all models are the same. The foreign models had several different
styles of heads & details. Only One head style was used on the U.S. models. The payout cup also has to be cut-down, (almost in half).
The coin-view window casting on most, are a plain smooth casting, and not the ornate style, as found on the real-deal U.S. model.
One of the English models, which had a different style coin head, was called a "Commercial", in the advertising brochures. There were
also several different color wheel designs, and not all had the same amount of stops. One model has greyhound dogs on the wheel, as
well as on the coin head.
With all of this being said, there are those, that will continue to call these Foreign models a Ben Hur, when they 'ARE NOT'.
Many are the same ones that try to convince us that they are selling a real "Golden Nugget", of which there are very few originals known.
Some have even said that it came out of the casino. There were Never any Golden Nuggets in Any Golden Nugget Casino. Just like there
were Never any War Eagles in a War Eagle Casino! And so forth!

Thank you for all that information Slot Dynasty, was a really good and informative read. I have to say, It has been one of the hardest things I've ever had to research, the Caille Ben Hur (or not as the case may be!!), there just seems to be hundreds of variations to the wheel, the ornate castings, the cabinet and the coinage. I've read so many different stories and opinions about this "type" of machine. And on top of all this confusion of who made this, what version is that, is it or isn't it etc.... you also have the bungled mix of parts thrown together from various sources and thrown in some look-a-like cabinet to contend with.

In conclusion, I've realised that we'll never really know the whole truth 100% about any of these models of gaming machines. I'm sure mine is not all original, or who really made it, and if its genuine... but you know what.. I love it, and get immense pleasure out of playing it almost every day, and was worth every penny!

However, Any other comments or advise on the background of these machines greatly appreciated.

Hello
Slot Dynasty , thank for this info ,We have the same problem in France ! Any one who have an Us commercial version( the first come from Caille USA ) or an English commercial version (1950 !) always say : Sure that is a Benhur , not an English slot machine !! pffffff !!
About Commercials and Benhur , more info here :
http://coinopcollectorforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334
and here :
http://www.pennymachines.co.uk/Forum/vi ... f=7&t=1374

About your trouble when you put a coin in all 5 slots in one shoot ; I have an Idea , but please , post a picture from the inside for be sure !! !!
The back of the Mech !! not the front with the disk !! I need to see what version do you have !

Stephane