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Thinking of buying a 1931 watling fancy torch for a project. Right now it stands at $1000. But is missing gooseneck filler plate, has drill holes on top of machine and back door, crack on trimming in front, chunk of wood taken out at bottom and right side of machine. Dealer stated it works and pays out correctly as it is not restored. What would you pay for this watling?

Thanks guys, Denny

Denny:
The $1,000 price tag is not far out-of-line, due to the fact that it is a complete and working machine, but I would work it closer to $850, if at all possible,
due to the issues of the cracked casting, and holes that need filling. The gooseneck retainer plate is an easy find. It has much of the original paint, and the
mechanism appears to be pretty clean. You also have to consider the shipping charges, if the machine is not near you. Good luck with your challenge.
Bill

Not sure where you are located but I would sell you a great condition all original one for $1300. Original back door, original cash box, original back plate, matching inside paper tag and casting serial number and excellent original strips/award cards. Many of the Watling Torch machines are missing the small cam and linkage that feed every fifth coin to jackpot. I do not see this linkage in your pictures which would mean it would not fill the jackpots automatically (a deal-breaker for me). Here are pictures of the cam/linkage and the front of my finished machine. I am in Ohio - if interested.

Flip

flipper77 wrote:Not sure where you are located but I would sell you a great condition all original one for $1300. Original back door, original cash box, original back plate, matching inside paper tag and casting serial number and excellent original strips/award cards. Many of the Watling Torch machines are missing the small cam and linkage that feed every fifth coin to jackpot. I do not see this linkage in your pictures which would mean it would not fill the jackpots automatically (a deal-breaker for me). Here are pictures of the cam/linkage and the front of my finished machine. I am in Ohio - if interested.

Flip

Thanks Flip I will ask about the cam/linkage for jackpot. Your machine is a nice one for sure but a little over my budget.

hi

I bought the same machine a year ago in much better unrestored cond for 750.00
It was on Craigs list.
Rich in New Jersey

flipper77 wrote:Not sure where you are located but I would sell you a great condition all original one for $1300. Original back door, original cash box, original back plate, matching inside paper tag and casting serial number and excellent original strips/award cards. Many of the Watling Torch machines are missing the small cam and linkage that feed every fifth coin to jackpot. I do not see this linkage in your pictures which would mean it would not fill the jackpots automatically (a deal-breaker for me). Here are pictures of the cam/linkage and the front of my finished machine. I am in Ohio - if interested.

Flip

Probably doesnt have it. Is this small cam /linkage hard to find?

Denny

Yes. this assembly is very difficult to locate. Reason that I mention is that I nearly purchased a very nice Watling Twin Jackpot with front mint vendor at Chicago show and then discovered that this assembly was missing. Seller brushed it off with "you don't hit the jackpot that often" and "you can load by hand". I asked several of the big parts sellers at Chicago show and none knew of a source for the parts. You can ask the seller who you are dealing with. These are nice playing machines - have mine in my office and play it frequently. I did a minimal case refinish to save both original decals.

Hi Denny
It s possible to see the linkage on your 3th Photo ! I think that there are no trouble for this !!
But for 1000$, I think also that is a better deal to add300 and take the one from Flippe77 !
Think to the money that you will give for complet , weld the hole ,and clean it ,for try to have nearly the same as Flipper77 !!
Stephane

Denny,

Here is the post I emailed you about.

You've got quite a mouth behind that keyboard.

You are poorly informed.

And we are going to get this straight right now.

Read this quote fully, apparently after advice from your adviser in California.

"""I just received an email from the dealer Fred who is the son of Larry DeBaugh who is now working for Morphy auction house has canceled out after asking him about the cam/ linkage for jackpot. I don't know if be knows what I'm talking about ( he sells houses for a living )but he should. This is an embarrassment to his dads bussiness who has been collecting for years. He should have known this instead of selling a machine that isnt working properly to a person getting into the hobby. Aren't they supposed to specialize in watling machines they have a watling banner at the top of their website. I got him down to $850 with shipping after seeing pics he didn't post on his website. Maybe this was a scam by someone else. Anyway I'll find another machine somewhere.
Denny"""

Of all the other information on this thread that is incorrect, your post takes things to a whole new low.

You emailed me after already committing to purchase this machine at $1100. And asked in your first email to do $1000. Which I did.

Then, I said hold on, let me email you a few more pics and then we can talk. Then you said 850 and I said fine. Exactly what the forum experts suggested. This is a shipped price keep in mind, about $150-$175 my cost.

Then, I receive another email from you that your adviser in California has advised about this critical piece. Which mine is apparently missing, but the one he wants to sell you is not.

So, knowing that I am dealing with someone who knows zero about this machine, and is questioning me based on information from someone who knows slightly less, I cancelled the transaction.

I know when to dump problem buyers, buyers who know more than I do, And received their expertise from someone in a forum. Who wants to sell them a machine no less! After all, I sell houses for a living right? You who have exchanged 4 emails with me knows quite a bit about my income streams? Yes Denny, I have carried a real estate license for approaching 6 mos. And been collecting and restoring vintage slots, particularly Watling, for 25 years. Would you like my resume'? I'm on LinkedIn.

The cam that loads the jackpot is obviously present.

Also, these machines had a second style of loading mechanism, and often should not have that cam assembly.

And if you read your email from our Etsy trail, you will see I stated: "...it's an unrestored piece that is all original, and fully functioning and playing...."

"fully functioning and playing" means that the slot machine I am about to sell you is fully functioning and playing. Now, since I sell things and guarantee them to be what I say, with full return privileges and with full service for the life of the machine, if it did not have that critical piece that helps make it fully functioning, it would before it left the shop.

You greatest line was "He should have known this instead of selling a machine that isn't working properly to a person getting into the hobby."

Great because I was selling someone just getting into the hobby a machine that works perfectly, with lifetime support... Nice one Denny.

My advice to you Denny is to skip 1 and 2.

Fred DeBaugh
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