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This Daval centasmoke gum vender is for sale but I am not sure if the jack pot is correct on this machine, looks like some others I have seen on Daval's, it's different from the Pace, or is it one of the Vega's butcher fantasy creations?

I believe that it is a recreation, By comparing this machine to pictures of known original jackpot Daval's the jack pot is a tad smaller due to shrinkage, the reel strips and award card are not correct ether so I think this is one of the fantasy machines that is being resold.

i have to agree.

Sir; i have 3 Trade stimulators that have the Correct Jack pots. 1CHICAGO CLUB #5 2 J M SANDERS BABY JACKPOT VENDOR 3 PACE NEW DEAL.

altort wrote:This Daval centasmoke gum vender is for sale but I am not sure if the jack pot is correct on this machine, looks like some others I have seen on Daval's, it's different from the Pace, or is it one of the Vega's butcher fantasy creations?

Al:
"STAY AWAY"!
I hate to pop your bubble, but the machine in the pix above, is definitely one of the Fantasy Creations from the Vegas Butcher.
The Daval "Cent-A-Smoke" NEVER came with Any Jackpot, even though it is a similar case style of the later "Daval Gum Vendor".
I seen this same machine, being offered by the Butcher, in March 2013. It has a Incorrect Recast Jackpot, Incorrect color scheme,
and the background color on the repro reel strips is way off. They are supposed to have a dark green, not turquoise background.
The award card is also a made-from-scratch example. The ONLY Award Card that ever came in this style jackpot frame, had fruit symbols ONLY.

Below, are 3 more examples, (the second & forth, are the same machine), all from the workbench of the 'Vegas Butcher'.
This CRAP has got to stop! He has Bastardized way-too-many machines, and snookered so-many collectors. The shame of it all,
is that many of these Fake Creations have sold for more than a nice original example. Go Figure!

Also, a final note: Is that some of these machines have had the case castings mixed with one another, as I have watched many
of the machines that the Butcher has purchased, (some were mty cases, with no mech.), and some of the case castings were
offered separately on eBay. Therefore, the serial number logging for these examples, are screwed-up as well. All because of a
"Total Jerk-Off". So much for 'Machine History'!

I really am surprised no one has left him negative feedback, or, sued him.
If one were to buy a fake from him, they could give him negative, and, be covered by ebay / paypal protection and get their money back.
if this were done enough times, the message would then be before those unaware of this site, and, he would soon fall into below standard seller, and ebay would prohibit him from listing.
Surely, he is aware of this site and knows that the coin-op community is hip to his shenanigans and fraud.
It amazes me that he has the balls to show up at shows, and, auctions.
Theoretically... by turning off newbies that may have become serious collectors... he has potentially taken money out of each and every one of our pockets because of sales that could have been made to those lost collectors who may have purchased from any one of us.
It sure is odd... and sad... that the other coin-op club officers... and they know who they are... takes no action ... even after as many times as he has been reported.

COCA knows about Fred but I really don't think they care. You have to be blind not seeing his crap sitting on his table. A few years ago he had three knock off "Taverns" sitting on his table. Come Sunday they were all sold. I have sent email's to COCA without a response. I talked to some of the officers of the club at the show. No action was taken. Do any of the officers visit this site? If they do why isn't any action taken. Maybe Fred can create a Tavern out of an IMP. Go for it Fred.

Now you've done it! His buddies are going to coax him into starting a Fake "Imp" run.
He will also have to recast a jackpot a couple dozen times, to get it shrunk-down
small enough to be mounted on the Imp. Wonder what strips he'll have made-up for it?
There was a factory variation that had a phoney gumball display, but I won't get into that.

Perhaps he could conjure up the infamous 'TRIPLE IMP".

Hi Bill

I was not planning to buy this machine, I just wanted to make sure that it was a made up machine before I contacted the auction house to let them know that the machine was made up and not original, the man I spoke to was very interested in finding out the correct information and to catalog it properly, turns out that he is settling an estate of a fire fighter and he is auctioning off several machines, one of them also is a reproduction war eagle, the unfortunate part is that the family thought they had some valuable machines but now realize that part of that collection is not worth as much has they had hoped.
This is just one of the consequences of these fakes, this is the second fake trade stimulator that as come up for auction here in the north east and un fortunately there is a lot more out there that will eventually be up for sale.

Al