QT

[mechanic]

I have been trying to find literature and / or pics of a QT but made by Sega not Mills. I know that Sega made full size slots and the Vest Pocket. I am pretty sure that Sega also made the QT and called it Sega Jr. Anyone out there know more as I know very little. LOL!!!

[Anglobritish]

It is your lucky day, I operated hundreds of Mini-Sega's in the pub's in England in the 1960's, in those days slots were illegal, the owner of the pub would put them on the bar at the request of the customer, he could quickly remove them if the cop's came in. See the attached pictures of both the American model and the English Model. Service Games (Nevada) Inc. Sega was the official distributor for The Mills Bell-O-Matic Corporation in Nevada in the 1950's. and supplied all of the replacement parts for the Mills machines.

Freddy Bailey

[MONTI]

Hadn't heard of Services Games Incorporated in Nevada, could you give me a little more information on them and where they were located so I could add it to my gaming information.
Always thought Sega was strictly out of Tokyo, but I could be wrong, my wife tells me I am most of the time!

[Anglobritish]

Marty Bromley (One of my closest friends in the industry until he died 6 years ago) started out as Standard Games-Service Games in 1945 because of their connections with the U.S Military they installed slot machines in every U.S Military base in the World, starting out at Pearl Harbor, then onto San Francisco until the 1951 Johnson Act stopped the slot machines being operated on the U. S. Bases. They then operated in Korea and Germany, in fact the Sega Bell was built in the Gunter Wulff (Now Bally-Wulff) factory in Berlin. Find attached some sheets from my original parts manual that Service Games (Japan) and Service Games (Nevada) Inc put out, one one page you will see the modifications that Sega put on the Mills machines to stop any machines from being cheated, this expeariance only comes from operators not manufacturers.

At this time I am writing a fictitious novel based on the life of Marty Bromley that we are hoping will be turned into a movie.

Freddy Bailey

[MONTI]

Thanks for the information, learn something new everyday, right?
My time in the casinos was spent in Northern Nevada and Lake Tahoe in the 60's and 70's and I was not familiar with this Vegas company, again, thanks for the information.
Absolutely loved the page on the anti cheating devices as this is what we watched for from the "cat walks" back in the day!
From the original posted question, did Sega ever make the QT model, just curious?

[Anglobritish]

Sorry,
I was not thinking when you asked about the QT models, no sega never made this model, they made a console called Ascot and a gunball Blackjack machine,

Most of my connections are with the Las Vegas people, Mickey Wichinsky of Games of Nevada was sent to Las Vegas by the New Jersey people,in 1957 he bought out Jack Lavinia's route in Northern Nevada to operate slot there, he then had a piece of The Sands, it was Mickey who first placed the new Bally Commander-Money Honey in the Sands and the Tropicana, it was in the Tropicana that the machines started paying out for no reason, it was close to the airport and the radar caused many problems in those days, The original Bally Commander was developed from a Bally Draw Bell machine they used the reel mechanism but designed a new handle mechanism that fell to pieces on location after about one week, Doc Kaufman redesigned the cabinet and handle assembly and The Bally 742A model was introduced, this was the first slot machine where Bally used numbers rather than a name on their machines, The name Money Honey was given to Bally by my partner at the time-Cyril Shack, we were the distributor for the U.K. (See the original Money Honey Brochure from my collection),we had the Bally machines before they went back to Vegas, see the attached pictures, the rest is History.

Fredy Bailey

[MONTI]

I really like reading this old literature!
Get a kick out of the "SLUG PROOF MECHANISM" paragraph, they were slug proof but you could "Yo Yo" the early coin acceptor units until they got smart and added string cutters above the coin acceptor.
And before they added the security lip at the bottom of the door on the early models you could shape a corset stay in a kind of "Z" shape and stick it in the machine and short out the wiper assembly on the left side of the hopper which would cause the hopper to dump but the smart ones wouldn't go so far as to black out the machine and make the floorman or security aware of what they had down.
Then there were the "cross roaders" that would take a large bar with a cap on it that would slip over the handle hub, bring the handle down to the last click and take out the ratchet dog in the handle mech inside the cabinet.
Interesting times in the 60's, the Good Old Days of the casinos!

[Midcoast Vintage]

Amazing that for a hand full of change, someone would go to all that effort & risk to chance jail, a trip to the alley, or... a trip to the desert!

[MONTI]

Yeh, they would, they even had slot cheating schools.
They would buy a slot machine, or different make machines, and for a fee, they would teach the "Cross Roaders" how to cheat the casinos, and it covered Black Jack and poker too.
We had a good relationship with the Sheriff's Dept., after we taught them a lesson they wouldn't forget, we'd throw them out in the parking lot and call the Sheriff's Dept. and tell them we had a vagrant in the parking lot, they'd pick them up no questions asked, the movie Casino was right on for the way it was back in the day.
Some of those guys made a pretty good living at it.
Once a slot cheat got his name in the "Black Book" and he didn't want to be caught on the slot machine with a jackpot going they would have what they called "Collectors", people who just collected the jackpot after the machine was setup on the winning symbols by the slot cheat.
One of the casinos I worked at actually hired "Cross Roaders" that taught us what to watch out for while we were in the "Cat Walks", they didn't have cameras back then other than a hand held 35 millimeter camera up behind the glass so we could catch them in the act.

[randyvw]

i once bought a machine from a guy in nevada that told stories of how he made a good living cheating slots in the "old days". he DID say he had to give it up, because he had too many broken bones, and he just couldn't take it any more.