Question for Freddy

[marsonion]

I've been curious for years about something, and hoping I could find an expert who could provide an answer: what did these machines look like--? I have not been able to find even a single picture of either of them. I've asked around, but well-seasoned collectors tell me the "New Deal" was a trade stimulator produced by Pace or Pierce or both, yet that item is clearly not what Bueschel is making reference to on the cover of his Coin Slot Guide here. I vaguely recall that Bueschel (or some other coin-op historian) may have written somewhere that the 1933 Caille "New Deal" three-reel slot was a sort of variation on the "Silent Sphinx," but I can't find any such reference now, nor even imagine how a machine derived from the Sphinx castings could make any allusion to the FDR administration. And the 1933 "Gold Star"?-- not even a clue. Further, trying to draw any stylistic line between the Caille "Silent Sphinx"(1932) and the "Dictator"(1934) is a mug's game at best... I think the fact that 1933 was hardly a good year for any outfit located in Detroit (a horde of automotive manufacturers plunged off a cliff at that time) makes it even more difficult for me to locate any useful information on this matter.

I'm asking Freddy Bailey because it is apparent he is in possession of a vast backlog of very graphic reference material and historical expertise. So, Freddy: can you show me a picture?!?

Many thanks in advance!

[Anglobritish]

Hi,
Regarding your request for information on the Caille Gold Star and New Deal, The New Deal like you say was originally made by Pierce Tool Co, then after Groetchen went after them for copying one of their machines, Pierce stopped making it, and Pace started making the same machine. Regarding the Caille Gold Star, I too am not at all familiar with this model, Find attached copies of original adds from 1933 of Caille and Pierce.
Hope I was able to help.

Freddy Bailey

[Anglobritish]

Sorry I forgot the attachments, here they are.

[nvmos2]

Freddy;

I think you missed the point of mars onion's question;

Yes, there were trade stimulators named New Deal,
but Coin Slot Guide 3 seems to clearly indicate that Caille made Bell machines that were part of the evolution of their Superior slot machine models
and they were called;
Gold Star (1933)
New Deal (1933) and
Four Reel New Deal (1933)
plus other model Bell machines and "vender models in original Caille Bros. style cabinets."

It appears that these are lesser known Caille slot models and I think the intent of the question was to see what these variations looked like.
Apparently they were Bell machines, not similar to the trade stimulators of the same name,
otherwise, I don't think they would have been mentioned/covered in CS Guide 3.

[marsonion]

Yes, thanking Freddy again for his attention on this, but nvmos2 is correct as to what I'm looking for. I've seen plenty of examples of the Pierce/Pace "New Deal" trade stimulator; that's definitely not what I'm looking for here. The inside front cover of the Coin Slot Guide #3 lists no less than eight items produced by Caille Bros. in 1933, including even the "Silent Sphinx Ball Gum Vender," of which a collector on this forum actually owns an example. So we all got a good look at that little gum dispenser, but I'm still completely in the dark as to what the 1933 "New Deal" and "Gold Star" model Caille slots might've looked like.

Anyone--?

Freddy;

I think you missed the point of mars onion's question;

Yes, there were trade stimulators named New Deal,
but Coin Slot Guide 3 seems to clearly indicate that Caille made Bell machines that were part of the evolution of their Superior slot machine models
and they were called;
Gold Star (1933)
New Deal (1933) and
Four Reel New Deal (1933)
plus other model Bell machines and "vender models in original Caille Bros. style cabinets."

It appears that these are lesser known Caille slot models and I think the intent of the question was to see what these variations looked like.
Apparently they were Bell machines, not similar to the trade stimulators of the same name,
otherwise, I don't think they would have been mentioned/covered in CS Guide 3.

[Anglobritish]

Caille made more than 100 various machines, not all Bell machines, in the Bell range they made the Spynx with several different fronts, and in 3 and 4 reel models:
The Victory Mint Vender,
The Superior Operaters Bell,
The Superior,
The Superior Console.
The Play Boy,
The Cadet,
The Dough Boy,
The Commander.
The Commander De-Luxe Console.
The Dictator.

Most of the above models could be had with side venders.

No sign anywhere of a New Deal model or a Gold Star model. What does it show in your No. 3 Coin Slot publication. I will keep searching.

Freddy Bailey

[marsonion]

Caille made more than 100 various machines, not all Bell machines, in the Bell range they made the Spynx with several different fronts, and in 3 and 4 reel models:
The Victory Mint Vender,
The Superior Operaters Bell,
The Superior,
The Superior Console.
The Play Boy,
The Cadet,
The Dough Boy,
The Commander.
The Commander De-Luxe Console.
The Dictator.

Most of the above models could be had with side venders.

No sign anywhere of a New Deal model or a Gold Star model. What does it show in your No. 3 Coin Slot publication. I will keep searching.

Freddy Bailey

Thanks-- the CSG#3 inside front cover list attached. I think everything on the list is a payout slot.

[flipper77]

Not the Trade Stimulator model that you were asking about - - but Pace did make a New Deal slot machine. Here is the original advertisement dated August 1, 1938 for the Pace New Deal. Must be an uncommon machine as I have never seen one of these. This advertisement is two-sided and another uncommon Pace is pictured on the reverse side. A good friend of mine who has a fabulous collection of machines sold me the Pace shown on the other side. This also is his advertisement which he was nice enough to loan me to copy. I will post the reverse side and picture of actual machine when I get a good picture shortly. Just FYI!

Flip

[nvmos2]

Flip:
VERY interesting to find out that
Pace also made a New Deal slot machine;
it appears to have been introduced at the time of your ad (1938), which indicates Pace was late in
jumping on the "New Deal" name band wagon.

I wonder what was new about the Pace New Deal model;
I suspect it was the lock out feature that prevented the machine from being played when it was out of mints.
I suspect that localities were starting to crack down on machines that allowed continued play when the machine lost its sham vending machine cover.
The flyer paragraph concerning the jack pot also provides some interesting info.

Here's the odd part;
Coin Slot Guide 4 covers Pace Bell machines 1934 to 1938,
yet it does NOT mention the Pace New Deal.
It does cover the Deluxe Gold Star model, but NOT a basic Gold Star model (there is the Pace Deluxe, which apparently evolved into the Deluxe Silver Star and Deluxe Gold Star models).
Unless somebody comes up with a photo/advertisement/other evidence of the Caille New Deal and Gold Star models, I'm wondering if there is an error in the CS Guides and the references in Guide 3 (Caille) to a New Deal and
Gold Star model were a mistake and supposed to be in Guide 4 (Pace).
Both guides came out at the same time and Bueschel was pumping out an enormous amount of slot machine history back then,
I could understand how the placement of these 2 less common models could get mixed up.

[marsonion]

I think these published auction result items from January, 1980 tend to indicate that a Caille "New Deal" model really was produced in 1933. It is described as a Superior with skill-stop buttons. Well, at least now I have a clue...

http://coinslot.arcade-museum.com/CoinS ... 9-P024.pdf

http://coinslot.arcade-museum.com/CoinS ... 9-P021.pdf

Flip:
VERY interesting to find out that
Pace also made a New Deal slot machine;
it appears to have been introduced at the time of your ad (1938), which indicates Pace was late in
jumping on the "New Deal" name band wagon.

I wonder what was new about the Pace New Deal model;
I suspect it was the lock out feature that prevented the machine from being played when it was out of mints.
I suspect that localities were starting to crack down on machines that allowed continued play when the machine lost its sham vending machine cover.
The flyer paragraph concerning the jack pot also provides some interesting info.

Here's the odd part;
Coin Slot Guide 4 covers Pace Bell machines 1934 to 1938,
yet it does NOT mention the Pace New Deal.
It does cover the Deluxe Gold Star model, but NOT a basic Gold Star model (there is the Pace Deluxe, which apparently evolved into the Deluxe Silver Star and Deluxe Gold Star models).
Unless somebody comes up with a photo/advertisement/other evidence of the Caille New Deal and Gold Star models, I'm wondering if there is an error in the CS Guides and the references in Guide 3 (Caille) to a New Deal and
Gold Star model were a mistake and supposed to be in Guide 4 (Pace).
Both guides came out at the same time and Bueschel was pumping out an enormous amount of slot machine history back then,
I could understand how the placement of these 2 less common models could get mixed up.