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So this is a fake

Postby Catman88 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:57 pm

After reading " tips on identifying fraudulent machines " I guess this fits into that category.
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby sam2002 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:48 pm

Absolutely a reproduction machine!
Heres what an original restored Mills Golden Nugget looks like,

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Re: So this is a fake

Postby watlingboy » Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:15 pm

The Golden Nuggets actually fall into 2 different categories. You can have an original Mills Black cherry, Diamond front or Golden Falls that someone has bought a Golden Nugget Kit and put on an original machine. These Nugget kits were made by the hundreds and sold. They consisted of reel strips, nuggets, dolls and an award card. These were put on original machines and put on complete reproductions. Whether it was an original machine to start with or a complete repro, like the one you posted, both are wrong and have little in common with the original Nugget machines.

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Re: So this is a fake

Postby Catman88 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:20 pm

I think the sellers description could very well Miss lead a buyer into thinking it's an original.
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby Catman88 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:19 am

watlingboy wrote:The Golden Nuggets actually fall into 2 different categories. You can have an original Mills Black cherry, Diamond front or Golden Falls that someone has bought a Golden Nugget Kit and put on an original machine. These Nugget kits were made by the hundreds and sold. They consisted of reel strips, nuggets, dolls and an award card. These were put on original machines and put on complete reproductions. Whether it was an original machine to start with or a complete repro, like the one you posted, both are wrong and have little in common with the original Nugget machines.

George


Thanks for the info George.

The Nugget kits, were these manufactured by Mills or an aftermarket company?

The Nugget kits, were they made the same year as the original GN slot machine or were they produced many years after?

The Nugget kits, are they identical to the originals that came on the original GN slot machine, can they be told apart?

How can someone confirm that a machine is truly an original Golden Nugget from a Black cherry, diamond front, or golden falls that has been converted?

When Mills made the golden nugget was it only for the Golden Nugget casinos, or could anyone buy an original back in the days?

How can someone confirm they have an original Golden Nugget slot machine that was on the floor of a Golden Nugget Casino?

Thanks George.
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby sam2002 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:13 am

http://www.ibuyoldslots.com/ReproArticle.html

An original GN will have formica sides, the fake/revamp will be wood sides, the payout base will wrap across the bottom as well as the sides(chrome piece at the bottom) a fake or revamped will just have the small coin tray as in your picture.
The award bib on an original will not be silk screen it is embossed, meaning it is indented and when you get a chance to see one in person just run your finger over it and you will automatically know by it’s feel. The dolls on the originals will be 2 tone gold/cjrome, this is more costly to reproduce so is seldom if ever recreated in the aftermarket.
The exact history on the revamp/fake machines I am not absolutely sure of but I believe these revamped machines came into existence in the 70’s by some clever individuals who saw a market for converting machines for the tourist market in Vegas/Reno, since it became legal in many states to own an antique slot machine. These machines generally were original Mills machine. This evolved probably in the late 70’s to early 80’s into outright reproduction machines by other savvy individuals that wanted a piece of this market. These total fakes will almost always be 25 cent with smooth back doors, many without escalators and other parts.
My synopsis may not be spot on and I totally expect to hear from some of the others who have way more knowledge on this subject than I, but this should give you a good starting point.
Hopefully this helps some.
Best of luck to you in your pursuit!
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby sam2002 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:36 am

Here just grabbed this photo off google, notice the actual coin tray is made of brass and then surrounded by the chrome moulding, the hand load jp, the sides of the machine are formica and the 2 tone dolls, this is an original Golden Nugget.
The photo in this picture is most likely an unrestored version of the 25 cent GN, It’s a very nice looking machine.
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby nvmos2 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:08 pm

Good summary by sam2002.
I would add;
Mills never made the Golden Nugget "kits"; the casino made their own Mills conversions in-house.
The fakes started small when slot collecting took off and machines were bringing big bucks; a few scum bags made them to scam newbie collectors into thinking they were buying an actual GN machine.
Perhaps some guys who didn't care about originality got them for their game room just to look cool (akin to the guys who take a vintage vending machine and turn it into Dallas Cowboy (or name your favorite team) with sparkle paint machines, then proudly post it on Facebook with look what I got/made; seems sad to me, but whatever floats your boat.

The GN parts used to modify a Mills machine soon grew to a hobby business of putting together all sorts of GN Frankenmachines and eventually onto complete reproductions without a single bolt that is vintage and sold by dealers to Nevada tourists, etc. "Remanufactured" is a silly deceptive synonym for "reproduction."

The fake GNs are maybe the easiest fake slots to spot; be sure to read Dave's entire article closely to avoid getting stuck with one of the other many fakes that plague this hobby.
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby Catman88 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:09 pm

sam2002 wrote:Absolutely a reproduction machine!
Heres what an original restored Mills Golden Nugget looks like,

https://coinopcollectorforum.com/viewto ... 272#p31272


For educational purposes do you mind sharing the history of your Golden Nugget.
Who is Alan Sax? I googled his name but there are to many to confirm?
Do you have documentation that Alan Sax owned the machine?
Did you do the restoration yourself, have you posted a previous thread on this form about this machine?
Do you have pictures of the before and after restoration?
Can you share with us how you know your GN is not a conversion?
I see your machine has a hole drilled in the bottom, that is an indication it was on the floor of a casino.
Is there any proof that this machine was on the Floor of the Golden nugget casino?

A history lesson of your GN would be quite interesting if you don't mind sharing.

Thanks Sam
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Re: So this is a fake

Postby Catman88 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:18 pm

nvmos2 wrote:
The fake GNs are maybe the easiest fake slots to spot; be sure to read Dave's entire article closely to avoid getting stuck with one of the other many fakes that plague this hobby.


Thank you for that additional information. My opening post mentions that I read Daves article and it was very interesting but it did not answer a lot of additional questions, your additional info fills in more of the puzzle, I hope others share their knowledge. Again, thank you I enjoy reading these posts.

When you say Golden Nugget did the conversion in house, what parts of the machine is the conversion. Are you saying the Golden Nugget just purchased the mechanism from mills and built everything else in house?
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