3cherrygirl wrote:Well guys you do and say what you want ,not thinking how other people feel with your comments (not directed just to you Dave) but I don't like games. I did not know that I was shouting. Did not know that it meant that. I just wanted to let you know how it sounded like what you guys sounded like to me. Sorry I pow out gracefully. What ever

we do not just put down machines for the sake of putting them down.
we are concerned about our hobby.
for some it is more than a hobby, it is a business.
regardless of which of those it is, it is an investment... and... a substantial one.
the reason we are so concerned with the reproductions... regardless of how they are labeled / described... is THE FAKES ARE DESTROYING THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOBBY!
we want new collectors to join the hobby.
we want them to be educated.
we are happy and eager to help in any way we can.
a newbie who becomes educated, and, does not get burned on a reproduction machine will more than likely decide to build a collection, and, as time goes by, upgrade the collection in size and quality.
a newbie who does get educated, and, gets burned, may very likely drop out with a sour feeling towards the hobby, ansd possibly bad mouth the hobby.
NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE INVOLVED!
THIS is why we are so hard on fakes and reproduction.
there are more than enough old / original slot machines around that there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for reproductions... especially since they seem to sell for more than an original can be had for.
look at the stupidity of pricing on ebay.
take one machine... say a mills war eagle. they will range in ASKING price of anywhere from $800. to $4500. i have even seen a few for more than that, but regardless, i think you get my point. now, the wishful thinkers that think they are going to get that upper end price are usually offering a gold plated (probably brass plated) reproduction and using descriptive words like re-manufactured, restored using as many original parts as possible (when questioned they will never reply to tell which parts are original and which parts aren't) etc.
granted... these gold plated wonders, as well as the trick paint job high-tops, and the golden nugget and golfer machines look great to the guy who just wants one machine for his game room, or the golf enthusiast, or the couple who went to vegas in the '50's and THINK they remember playing a golden nugget machine, and, that is all fine and dandy...
IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY HONESTLY REPRESENTED. BUT THEY AREN''T. PLUS... MANY OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL, AS THEY DO NOT MEET THE AGE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
so, if you want to jump in here, have YOUR say... which to me really has a "tunnel vision" attitude, and put us down for having OUR say... which is to defend what i have written about above, and, in other posts, as many others on this site have done, and, then exit with a snippy "WHATEVER"... that is your perogative, but, i do sincerely hope you return, and, continue to read what we fellow collectors post here and you are able to gather and retain some useful knowledge that will hopefully prevent you from making an expensive mistake on a bogus machine in the future.
KNOWLEDGE AND COMMUNICATION ARE GREAT TOOLS... WHEN THEY ARE USED.