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Do these look original or not any other info appreciated

Postby Richard13 » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:15 pm

Here are a couple of machines I bought when I lived in San Diego. They are now sitting
up at my wilderness lodge in Colorado. Blue one is a dime machine high top two bits.
Both work and have original keys etc.
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Postby JHSS-1944 » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:22 pm

Hello Richard;
the one on the left is a golden falls ,which has been repainted in the wrong colors. the basic high top seems correct from the photos.
what info. might you be looking for ??
you will need better / more photos.
most of the golden falls have the same paint scheme, but not all. believe the Horseshoe in down town Vegas had theirs painted a little different , OR just odd ball lighting on the casino floor....
both look nice so far.
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Postby Richard13 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:43 am

Thanks Jeff I have ordered some books to get a better feel for correct color schemes and finish. Are those
paper cards in the jackpot Windows correct or are these supposed to have jackpots? About what years were
these produced. Like I said they are in Colorado and I can't get up there for at least a month due to medical
reasons. I probably paid too much for my machines but bought them when I had more money than BRAINS!

I just love these old mechanical marvels!

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Postby oldslotman » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:50 pm

I think most if not all Golden Falls had hand load big window jackpots.
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Postby SLOT DYNASTY » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:33 pm

oldslotman wrote:I think most if not all Golden Falls had hand load big window jackpots.


Yes, the "Golden Falls" were mostly large window with hand-load jackpots. But there are actually
three versions. Besides the small window, there was also a large window, without a lock.
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Postby Richard13 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:38 pm

So it looks like I have the small window front I'm guessing. Did the small window versions have jackpots and if so
Should I convert it back assuming I can find one?

Is this the correct color scheme I need to revert to?

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Postby SLOT DYNASTY » Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:17 pm

Richard13 wrote:So it looks like I have the small window front I'm guessing. Did the small window versions have jackpots and if so
Should I convert it back assuming I can find one?

Is this the correct color scheme I need to revert to?

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Richard:
Yes, your 10c "Golden Falls" is the small window version, and should have an operating JP.
The pix you show of the 50c machine, is the all-around standard color scheme for most. But
there are slight differences in the award bib, and what color to paint the JP window frame.
Red, (like you show), Gold, like the upper casting & pillars, or Black, (which I don't like as well).
This 50c version also shows the fancier coin entry, rather than the standard 'fish-mouth'. I also
like the wood cabinet with a golden oak stain, rather than painted, like many originals came.

Another BIG difference in these models, is the Dollar version. The coin entry tower is on the right,
no horizontal escalator, but instead, has a vertical escalator, with a view window to the right of the
reel windows. It also has the large window (Dummy) JP, and the cherry castings are opposite mount,
(left - high, and right - low), because of the coin view window.
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Postby JHSS-1944 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:25 pm

don't worry that you think you " paid to much" at the time. we all do.... at the time.
the golden falls came out in 1946 ,sold in 1947 & 1948 only, not listed on the mills order blank in 1949.
the dollar version ,I believe is an "in house" casino conversion , I could be wrong.

1947 mills order blank;
golden falls bell ;
5 cent = $225.00
10 cent = $230.00
25 cent = $235.00
50 cent = $312.00.
this would be the prices for each ,provided you buy 25 machines or more.
* $25.00 cash deposit required on each machine ordered. *
they also state the bigger J.P. window was a ploy to get more people to play it.

A repaint would be nice...... When Bugsy Segal open the Flamingo hotel /casino Dec. 1946, these were the slots in it.
I have a color photo of the casino floor (pre opening) , Plus a color sales ad of this machine (somewhere ).
it's a rework of the Black Cherry bell of 1945
no ,don't own one yet. I'm a nut on early Flamingo casino & the Dunes casino.

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Postby SLOT DYNASTY » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:39 pm

Jeff:
If the dollar "Golden Falls" was a casino conversion, they sure went through a lot of changes, and a new pattern,
for that top casting, moving the coin tower to the right, and adding a 4th window, for the relocation of the
converted horizontal to vertical escalator. If that is the case, I wonder how many they made, and was it worth
the effort?
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Postby JHSS-1944 » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:22 am

Bill;
this is just my guess. but look at all the other casino conversion...... mills made no penny slots but,down town Vegas was filled with them in the 1950's. A lot of parts to be "reworked" to fit a penny coin & not jam up OR think it's a slug.
plus all the work done on the pay out discs, filling holes in "for less wins " OR the reverse, more holes for "mystery pay outs". Mills did sell discs with NO holes (part number MLB-8080-1; blank disc, flattened and hardened ,no pay out holes pierced). plus I've seen replacement parts in mills machines ,not mills made.

look at all the time & effort put into the golden nugget casino reworks = basically just in the looks ,for a Few machines.
lots of casinos had reel strips made locally also, not standard mills ones.
the "Nevada" (down town) did most of the above, & repainted there machines every color of the rainbow ; this was on new machines they just got into the door.

the 1949 mills order blank has NO $1 slots listed as an option, plus not all listed were even offered in 50 cent play.
Again ,not an expert , just my opinion.
I don't believe 50 cent or dollar coins were the rage in most casinos till mid / late 1950's; who typically was walking around with those coins in their pocket ? just my opinion.

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